Effective Aug. 3, It’s an Order throughout Bay Area: Wear Masks in All Indoor Settings

Health officers in seven Bay Area counties today changed last week’s indoor mask recommendation into an order requiring everyone to again wear masks in all indoor settings.

In an effort to slow sharply rising infection rates in the region, Santa Clara County Health Officer Dr. Sara Cody joined health officers in Alameda, Contra Costa, Marin, San Francisco, San Mateo and Sonoma counties and the city of Berkeley at a noon briefing about the new local health orders and the indoor use of face coverings.

“Universal indoor use of face coverings is the least disruptive and most immediately impactful additional measure to take, “ Cody wrote in today’s order.

The county order, to go into effect at 12:01 am Tuesday, Aug. 3, “is made in light of the recent significant increase in COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations in Santa Clara County due primarily to the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19,” wrote Cody.

“Emerging evidence indicates that the Delta variant is more transmissible than prior variants of the virus, may cause more severe illness, and that even fully vaccinated individuals can spread the virus to others,” according to the health officer. “The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the California Department of Public Health (CDPH) now both recommend that all persons—regardless of vaccination status—wear face coverings indoors.  Vaccination remains the best and most effective tool in preventing COVID-19 and its harms.”

She added that “evidence shows that even against the Delta variant, fully vaccinated individuals have substantial protection against severe illness, hospitalization, and death.”

Seeking to continue to the proportion of the population vaccinated is the best measure available, Cody said in her order.

Regardless of vaccination status, all persons must wear face coverings at all times when indoors except:

  • In their own residence or working in a closed room or office alone or with members of their household
  • When they are actively performing an activity that cannot be done while wearing a face covering (e.g., actively eating or drinking, swimming or showering in a fitness facility, or obtaining a medical or cosmetic service requiring removal of a face covering); or,
  • As specifically exempted from use of face coverings under the guidance of CDPH at https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/guidance-for-face-coverings.aspx (e.g., to communicate with someone who is hearing impaired or where a face covering poses a safety risk).

She added a warning about dining in restaurants, which had been reopened. “All persons are strongly discouraged from engaging in any activities that require removal of face coverings indoors (e.g., indoor dining), and instead encouraged to choose safer alternatives (e.g., outdoor dining).  Even outdoors, individuals are recommended to use face coverings if they are in crowded areas.”

Businesses, schools and nonprofits as well as governmental entities are required to enforce this face covering requirement for all employees, customers or members of the public entering their facilities, regardless of vaccination status.

All businesses, schools and nonprofits as well as governmental entities must post clearly visible and easy-to-read signage at all entry points for indoor settings to communicate the face covering requirements to all persons entering the facility.

County officials said that because getting vaccinated against COVID-19 is the best way to protect the vaccinated person from infection, hospitalization, or death from COVID-19, as well as to prevent harm to others by reducing the risk of transmission of COVID-19, “all eligible persons are strongly urged to get vaccinated against COVID-19 as soon as possible.”
She also recommended that all businesses and governmental entities implement mandatory vaccination requirements for all personnel, subject only to the limited exemptions required by law, and:

  • Move operations and activities outdoors where possible, where there is significantly less risk of COVID-19 transmission.  Where this is not possible, ventilation should be maximized.
  • Prohibit all personnel who are not fully vaccinated from engaging in any work-related travel to places with elevated rates of COVID-19, with widespread circulation of variants of concern, or where community vaccination rates are below the average in the Bay Area region.
  • Require all personnel not fully vaccinated to obtain frequent testing for COVID-19 consistent with current local, state, and federal recommendations.  Any person, vaccinated or unvaccinated, who has any symptoms consistent with COVID-19 should be tested immediately.

Cody asked the sheriff, all chiefs of police in the county, and all enforcement officers to work to ensure compliance with and enforce this Order.  “The violation of any provision of this order constitutes an imminent threat and menace to public health, constitutes a public nuisance, and is punishable by fine, imprisonment, or both,” she wrote.

California had adopted the Center for Disease Control’s revised May guidance on June 15 when the state retired most of its pandemic restrictions. The state has continued to require those who haven’t been vaccinated to wear masks indoors in public places.

 

62 Comments

  1. release the brown shirts!

    beat the heretics!

    make examples of the resistance

    all must obey or be ground to chalk

    feel the bern

    obey your masters

  2. It is not unlikely that the variations in infection rates, hospitalizations, and deaths have been a little more than the natural perturbations of the viral cycles.

    It is possible that neither the vaccines, masks, nor social distancing had anything to do with the cycles or significantly mitigating the infection rates.

    One thing is for certain, neither the CDC nor our local officials have a clue. They may be just riding the inverse wave of correlation does not represent causation.

  3. Though two recommendations were made (masks & vaccinations), note that the order speaks only of the effectiveness of vaccines, not masks. About the latter measure the best Dr. Cody could do was to describe them as the “least disruptive and most immediately impactful.” But impactful how? If masks are effective then the doctor should state it and provide some credible references.

    The only impact masks have is to assist the party in power in its efforts to keep America divided, to keep the Chicken Littles panicked and pointing fingers at the imaginary demons of COVID (Red Staters, Republicans, the un-vaccinated); to convince them that there is someone to blame and hate, all the while deflecting their attention from the ruinous policies of the Biden-Harris administration, the only virus with the potential to kill the nation.

  4. TO ALL OF THE ABOVE

    THE CDC HAS IDENTIFIED THAT THE VACCINES ARE NOT PREVENTING INFECTIONS, MAYBE SYMPTOMS BUT NOT INFECTIONS THE ONLY PEOPLE TESTED FOR COVID WERE THE HOSPITALIZED IN THE RECENT STUDY, PLEASE READ (https://www.wcvb.com/article/cdc-analysis-shows-74-of-provincetown-cases-occurred-in-vaccinated-individuals/37182364#)

    PROVINCETOWN, Mass. —

    New data released about the spread of COVID-19 by the CDC on Friday shows that the coronavirus outbreak among vaccinated individuals in Provincetown, Massachusetts, played a significant role in new guidance from the federal agency.

    In recommending that vaccinated people resume wearing masks indoors in virus hot spots, the CDC this week said that new evidence shows that breakthrough infections may be as transmissible as those in unvaccinated people.

    The CDC report cited the large recent outbreak among vaccinated individuals in Provincetown, among others, for the change.

    In July 2021, following multiple large public events in Provincetown, 469 COVID-19 cases were identified among Massachusetts residents who had traveled to the town during July 3–17; 346 of the cases, or 74%, occurred in fully vaccinated persons, the CDC report says.

    Testing identified the delta variant in 90% of specimens from 133 patients, the report says.

    Earlier this week, the CDC changed its masking guidelines, recommending that even vaccinated people return to wearing masks indoors in parts of the U.S. where the delta variant of the coronavirus is fueling surges in new cases.

    The CDC says their investigation shows the delta variant of COVID-19 causes high viral loads in both vaccinated and unvaccinated people.

    “High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with delta can transmit the virus,” the CDC says. “This finding is concerning and was a pivotal discovery leading to CDC’s updated mask recommendation.”

    The CDC said the investigation and published report were a collaboration between the Massachusetts Department of Public Health and the CDC. “I am grateful to the commonwealth for their collaboration and rigorous investigation. I would also like to humbly thank the residents of Barnstable County who leaned in to assist with the investigation through their swift participation in interviews by contact tracers, willingness to provide samples for testing, and adherence to safety protocols following notification of exposure,” the CDC wrote.”

    THERE WAS NO PROACTIVE TESTING DONE, NO ASYMPTOMATIC TESTING DONE, ONLY TESTING OF THOSE THAT REPORTED SYMPTOMS AND WERE ACTUALLY IN THE HOSPITAL WERE TESTED. ARE WE GOING TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE OR ARE WE GOING TO LEARN WITHOUT SUBJECTING MORE INNOCENT VICTIMS TO COVID?

  5. WHAT EDUCATION OR SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE TO PROVE ANY OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID? AT LEAST I HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE IN LIFE SCIENCES, BUT I ALSO WORKED AS A RESEARCH ASSISTANT FOR THE BOSTON UNIVERSITY MICROBIOLOGY LABORATORY AS A TECHNICIAN. THE FACTS ARE COVID IS A MOVING TARGET, AND THE SCIENTISTS HAVEN’T EVEN DONE ANY WORK ON A PRODUCTION LEVEL VACCINE. THESE VACCINES, EVEN THE ONE I TOOK, ARE PROTOTYPES, THEY WERE NEVER INTENDED TO BECOME FULL PRODUCTION. THIS IS WHY THE CDC NOR THE FDA IS GIVING ANY OF THESE ANY INDICATION OF BECOMING APPROVED. ONLY GIVEN EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION.

    REAL SCIENTISTS HAVE BEEN VERY QUIET ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE NEXT GENERATION OF THE COVID VACCINE IS NOT EVEN BEING WORKED ON. THE ONE THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE EFFICACY OF THE ORIGINAL AND BE POWERFUL AGAINST VARIANTS. THIS WAS THE LIMITATION OF THE MRNA VACCINE PLAN, IT CAN ONLY WORK FOR THE PROTEIN STRUCTURES ON THE KNOWN ALPHA VARIANT ON THE PHOSPHOLIPID BILAYER OF THE VIRUS.

    THE FACT THAT IT ALSO DOES NOT CREATE T-MEMORY CELLS NEEDED FOR PERMANENT INOCULATION FROM THE VIRUS IS ALSO A SCIENTIFIC LIMITATION OF THE APPROACH. AND NO ONE, IS TALKING ABOUT IT. BEING A REGISTERED INDEPENDENT, I FIND FAULT WITH BOUT PARTIES REGARDING IT.

    THIS IS WHY I SUSPECT WE WILL FIND OURSELVES IN A SERIOUS TROUBLE AGAIN SOON. THE FACT THAT THE INFECTION CONTROLS ARE INCREASING AGAIN, AND THAT MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING ARE PROVING TO BE THE ONLY CONTROL OF INFECTION AND NOT THE VACCINES, IS TROUBLING. DON’T YOU THINK?

  6. More absurdities from dumb and dumber. We don’t even pretend to be concerned about over running hospitals or the death rate from covid anymore. Now the concern is the presence of the delta variant in my nose and someone somehow picking my nose to catch the virus from me. Not that there is a risk that they would be hospitalized or die from it even if I allowed them to harvest it from my nose. How stupid everyone is. Just look at the SCC dashboards. They haven’t changed… and this is after Ms. Cody removed 60% of our hospital beds from the count. What will they try to do next to continue with the fearmongering, catastrophizing and intentional destruction of our society? If you’re a small business owner look out because after Cody proves once again that masks do nothing at all the business shutdowns and school shutdowns will begin in earnest again–likely next week. Stupidity 2.0.

  7. If they really wanted to do something they’d close the damn border. Another Record breaking month – over 210,000 illegal crossings in July.
    Yes you get your VAC and still wear a mask and stay in your basement while:
    the Southern Border is OPEN for COVID importation. “Buses leaving Texas border towns packed with illegal migrants”
    “The number of detainees who tested positive for COVID-19 in the Rio Grande Valley (RGV) Sector alone has increased by 900%,”
    ..”more than 2000 illegal crossers apprehended each day and accounting for 60% of confirmed COVID positive detainees in the U.S. Border Patrol custody.”
    …”the southern border saw more than 188,000 migrants (Illegal crossers) encountered in June alone – including a 25% increase in the number of family units encountered.”

  8. Win or lose, the lockdown will happen after the recall election. 2021 is 2020 in reverse: instead of lockdown, masks, and vaccinations, all of which failed to stop the spread of a mutating virus, this year we have vaccinations, masks, and eventually another lockdown. Gavin has an itchy trigger finger, but everyone knows he’ll lose if he orders a lockdown on or before September 14.

  9. Vaquero- Common sense suggests that your thoughts are correct. I fear that we now lack election integrity and Newsom will win regardless of how the people vote.

  10. TO Steven G:
    Now you have degree in “life sciences?” You have previous stated that you have degrees in Business (information technology) and Human Resources. So you now add new degrees in addition to playing at being an attorney?
    Checked your online information — it doesn’t mention your degrees in “life science.” While you have had something like 16 or 17 jobs plus some long periods of unemployment, there is nothing listed in the medical field. Washing test tubes as a lab assistant probably doesn’t add a lot to your medical gravitas.
    Look, Steven, you seem like a smart guy; however, your constant attacking and harassing people (particularly with your ALL CAPS RESPONSES) is less than endearing to people. Stop braying at people who state a brief opinion. This isn’t the Supreme Court.

  11. HB, I don’t think StevenG realizes his posts are unreadable.. they get a glance or a skim.. but posting a manifesto type reply in all CAPS? Not even a simple wiki how-to seems to help him.
    Maybe he can refer to the link below..
    https://www.writerswrite.com/journal/e-mail-etiquette-netiquette-12995
    “ONE OF THE BIGGEST MISTAKES PEOPLE MAKE IS TO TYPE WITH THEIR CAPS LOCK ON.
    All-caps might look cool to you, but experienced users will write you off as an IDIOT.

    It’s okay to use all-caps for headings and/or titles in your messages, or even to EMPHASIZE certain words, but anything beyond that is equivalent to screaming at someone.”

  12. JOE SMITH you wrote:

    “More absurdities from dumb and dumber. We don’t even pretend to be concerned about over running hospitals or the death rate from covid anymore. Now the concern is the presence of the delta variant in my nose and someone somehow picking my nose to catch the virus from me. Not that there is a risk that they would be hospitalized or die from it even if I allowed them to harvest it from my nose. How stupid everyone is. Just look at the SCC dashboards. They haven’t changed… and this is after Ms. Cody removed 60% of our hospital beds from the count. What will they try to do next to continue with the fearmongering, catastrophizing and intentional destruction of our society? If you’re a small business owner look out because after Cody proves once again that masks do nothing at all the business shutdowns and school shutdowns will begin in earnest again–likely next week. Stupidity 2.0.”

    PLEASE PROVIDE PROOF OF ANYTHING YOU SAID HERE, OTHERWISE YOU ARE MAKING UNSUBSTANTIATED ALLEGATIONS LIKE RUDY GIULIANI DID WHICH RESULTED IN HIS SUSPENSION OF HIS LAW LICENSE AND LIKELY REVOCATION.

  13. CA PATRIOT You wrote:

    “If they really wanted to do something they’d close the damn border. Another Record breaking month – over 210,000 illegal crossings in July.
    Yes you get your VAC and still wear a mask and stay in your basement while:
    the Southern Border is OPEN for COVID importation. “Buses leaving Texas border towns packed with illegal migrants”
    “The number of detainees who tested positive for COVID-19 in the Rio Grande Valley (RGV) Sector alone has increased by 900%,”
    ..”more than 2000 illegal crossers apprehended each day and accounting for 60% of confirmed COVID positive detainees in the U.S. Border Patrol custody.”
    …”the southern border saw more than 188,000 migrants (Illegal crossers) encountered in June alone – including a 25% increase in the number of family units encountered.””

    IF THOSE PEOPLE WERE GIVEN THE VACCINES IN THEIR COUNTRY, THEY WOULD NOT BE COMING. THE GRIMM REALITY IS THEY ARE SCARED TO DEATH REGARDING COVID, HAVE NO MASKS OR SOCIAL DISTANCING, AND A RUNNING AWAY FROM THE DISEASE. SO THEY GET INFECTED AND INFECT OTHERS ALONG THE WAY. IF ANYTHING I UNDERSTAND THEM RUNNING, BUT THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND THEIR DANGER TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS EITHER. IN ANY CASE YOU STILL HAVEN’T EXPLAINED THE PROVINCETOWN OUTBREAK OR THE OTHERS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. THE FACT IS YOU ALL PRACTICE UNSAFE LIVING AND MAKE THE VIRUS MORE DANGEROUS.

  14. VACANCY VAQUERO You wrote:

    “Win or lose, the lockdown will happen after the recall election. 2021 is 2020 in reverse: instead of lockdown, masks, and vaccinations, all of which failed to stop the spread of a mutating virus, this year we have vaccinations, masks, and eventually another lockdown. Gavin has an itchy trigger finger, but everyone knows he’ll lose if he orders a lockdown on or before September 14.”

    AGAIN, WHEN YOU HAD THE PEOPLE OR BUSINESSES IN EFFECT COERCE THE STATE TO LIFT MASKS AND OPEN UP INDOOR FACILITIES, AND PEOPLE DIDN’T PRACTICE SAFE LIVING, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN? WE DID IT 2 OR 3 TIMES BEFORE AND HAD COVID OUTBREAKS IN 2020, YOU THOUGHT IT WOULD NOT OCCUR AGAIN? THAT WAS FOOLISH.

  15. HB You wrote:

    “Now you have degree in “life sciences?” You have previous stated that you have degrees in Business (information technology) and Human Resources. So you now add new degrees in addition to playing at being an attorney?”

    ACTUALLY YES, I JUST DON’T DISCUSS IT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT RELEVANT UNTIL NOW. AND THE FACT THAT IT APPEARS NONE OF YOU ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND MICROBIOLOGY, OR THE PROCESS OF ACQUIRED IMMUNITY IN THE HUMAN BODY. IN ANY CASE MAYBE YOU SHOULD SPEND SOME TIME LEARNING ABOUT IT? You wrote:

    “Checked your online information — it doesn’t mention your degrees in “life science.” While you have had something like 16 or 17 jobs plus some long periods of unemployment, there is nothing listed in the medical field. Washing test tubes as a lab assistant probably doesn’t add a lot to your medical gravitas.”

    I WAS OPERATING SPECTROPHOTOMETERS AND SPECTROFLUOROMETERS TO DETECT AND IDENTIFY THE CHEMISTRY OF BIOLOGICAL SAMPLES. SO, BEFORE YOU ASSUME ANY MORE YOU SHOULD STOP TRYING TO MAKE UP STORIES. ACTUALLY, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW I WAS BORN WITH SEVERE RESPIRATORY DISTRESS, CAUSING ALL KINDS OF DISABLING PROBLEMS, THUS IT HAS INTERFERED WITH MY ABILITY TO WORK. SO BEFORE TRYING TO SAY I AM NOT A GOOD WORKER, JUST UNDERSTAND THIS, I NEVER LOSE WORK BECAUSE OF A FAILURE, I LOSE WORK BECAUSE I COMPLETE MY WORK SO WELL THE PLACE HAS NOTHING ELSE LEFT FOR ME TO DO.

  16. “SO BEFORE TRYING TO SAY I AM NOT A GOOD WORKER, JUST UNDERSTAND THIS, I NEVER LOSE WORK BECAUSE OF A FAILURE, I LOSE WORK BECAUSE I COMPLETE MY WORK SO WELL THE PLACE HAS NOTHING ELSE LEFT FOR ME TO DO.” — Steven Goldstein

    If I didn’t know better I’d accuse Goldstein of lifting the above quote from Dr. Christopher Duntsch, the delusional and overconfident narcissist who blamed his repeated maiming of patients on the incompetence of others. The guy was so screwed-up they made a TV miniseries about his escapades, called “Dr. Death.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Duntsch

  17. PHU TAN ELLI you wrote:

    “If I didn’t know better I’d accuse Goldstein of lifting the above quote from Dr. Christopher Duntsch, the delusional and overconfident narcissist who blamed his repeated maiming of patients on the incompetence of others. The guy was so screwed-up they made a TV miniseries about his escapades, called “Dr. Death.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Duntsch”

    YOU NEGLECTED TO INDICATE WHETHER ANY PAST WORK I DID RESULTED IN ANY DAMAGES OR RISK OF DAMAGES TO EITHER THE COMPANY I WORKED WITH OR THE DATA I WAS SECURING. IN FACT, NONE OF ANY OF MY PAST WORK HAS EVEN ANY HISTORY OF DATA OR OPERATIONAL PROBLEMS WHILE I WAS THERE AND AFTER I LEFT.

    WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS CHARACTER ASSASSINATION WITH NO EVIDENCE TO SHOW FOR IT. IN FACT, YOUR COMMENTS HERE CAN BE GROUNDS FOR DEFAMATION GIVEN THAT YOU COMPARED MY WORK TO A REAL LIFE CRIMINAL THAT COMMITTED VIOLENT ACTS.

    TO THE MODERATORS OF THIS WEBSITE, THIS IS SERIOUS!!! YOU CAN BE FOUND TO BE A PARTY TO DEFAMATION IF ANY EMPLOYER I APPROACH USES THIS INFORMATION TO DISAPPROVE MY HIRING!!! GIVEN IT IS A STATEMENT MADE ABOUT MY WORK WITH NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT!!!

    MAYBE IT IS FINALLY A POINT WHERE PEOPLE LIKE PHU TAN ELLI HAVE CROSSED A LINE!!! MAYBE IT IS TIME TO IN FACT START “MODERATING” YOUR FORUM PROPERLY?

  18. Restaurants, bars along with nail and hair salons start lock down before the end of the week once Cody realizes there is no competent argument for allowing them to remain open but requiring people to wear leaky masks while they walk around Walmart. After that doesn’t have any meaningful effect also, schools and most other businesses will be shut down also. This is so 2020. Will your businesses be able to withstand another year of shutdowns? Feds already blew their wad (twice) so they won’t be coming to rescue again. If they do print more money, our present 30% annual inflation rate changes to 80%.

  19. JOE SMITH you wrote:

    “Restaurants, bars along with nail and hair salons start lock down before the end of the week once Cody realizes there is no competent argument for allowing them to remain open but requiring people to wear leaky masks while they walk around Walmart.”

    JOE, IF THAT IS WHAT THE PRIVATE BUSINESSES WANT TO DO, YOU CANNOT BLAME THEM OR CRITICIZE THEM EITHER, IT IS THEIR CHOICE. JUST LIKE REQUIRING VACCINATIONS. You wrote:

    “After that doesn’t have any meaningful effect also, schools and most other businesses will be shut down also.”

    WAIT, DO YOU KNOW THAT THE COVID NEXT WAVE IS THAT BAD? AND THAT VACCINATIONS BECOMING LESS EFFECTIVE OS GOING TO CAUSE ANOTHER SHUTDOWN? WOW, THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION. You wrote:

    “This is so 2020. Will your businesses be able to withstand another year of shutdowns? Feds already blew their wad (twice) so they won’t be coming to rescue again. If they do print more money, our present 30% annual inflation rate changes to 80%.”

    FIRST, WHERE IS THE “30%” INFLATION REPORT? BUT YEST INFLATION IS GOING TO HIT BECAUSE OF LABOR SHORTAGES AND THE INCREASING SHORTAGES OF SUPPLIES. I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT A “POSSIBLE” VERY COLD WINTER AGAIN. You wrote:

    “Goldstein to Phu Tan Elli, paraphrasing, “Mommy, he hurt my feelings!””

    MAYBE YOU SHOULD READ FROM THIS WEBSITE ( https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/civil-litigation/defamation-character-lawsuit-proving-harm.html ):

    “Defamation of Character Lawsuits: Proving Actual Harm

    A successful lawsuit for defamation of character might require a showing of real damage caused by the statement.

    Updated By David Goguen, J.D.

    Defamation of character occurs when someone MAKES A FALSE AND HARMFUL STATEMENT ABOUT YOU. “LIBEL” IS A DEFAMATORY STATEMENT MADE IN WRITING OR POSTED ONLINE, WHILE “SLANDER” IS SPOKEN DEFAMATION. WITH EITHER TYPE, THE STATEMENT MUST BE PUBLISHED IN SOME WAY (WHICH JUST MEANS SOME THIRD PARTY MUST HAVE HEARD OR READ IT), IT MUST BE FALSE, AND IT MUST RESULT IN HARM, USUALLY TO THE SUBJECT’S REPUTATION. Those essential components of a defamation claim are fairly straightforward. But what kinds of harm can result from a defamatory statement, and can you recover compensation for those losses through a lawsuit?

    Harm to Reputation

    Perhaps the most common negative consequence of a defamatory statement is harm to your professional reputation. IF YOU’RE A LOCAL BUSINESSPERSON AND SOMEONE MAKES A FALSE STATEMENT ABOUT YOU TO OTHERS, INDICATING THAT YOU DID SOMETHING DISHONEST, THAT MIGHT CAUSE YOUR CUSTOMERS TO TAKE THEIR BUSINESS ELSEWHERE. IN ANOTHER EXAMPLE, PERHAPS AN UNTRUE STATEMENT IN A COMPANY EMAIL CAUSED YOUR EMPLOYER TO DOUBT WHETHER YOU SHOULD REMAIN EMPLOYED.

    Financial Harm

    Of course, financial consequences often go hand-in-hand with harm to reputation. IF YOU LOSE EXISTING BUSINESS, OR LOSE YOUR JOB, OR CAN PROVE THAT YOU LOST BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES OR THE CHANCE AT A PROMOTION, YOU CAN SEEK COMPENSATION (“DAMAGES”) FOR THOSE TYPES OF FINANCIAL HARM AS LONG AS YOU CAN PROVE THEM WITH SOME DEGREE OF ACCURACY. LEARN MORE ABOUT CALCULATING DAMAGES IN A DEFAMATION CASE.

    When Harm Might Be Presumed

    SOME KINDS OF FALSE STATEMENTS ARE AUTOMATICALLY PRESUMED TO BE DEFAMATORY. THE 2006 DUKE LACROSSE SCANDAL PROVIDES AN EXAMPLE. IN THAT CASE, A WOMAN ACCUSED SEVERAL COLLEGE ATHLETES OF SEXUALLY ASSAULTING HER AT A PARTY. IT TURNED OUT THAT HER ACCOUNT WAS NOT TRUSTWORTHY. A FALSE STATEMENT ACCUSING ANOTHER PERSON OF COMMITTING A CRIME, OR OF ENGAGING IN SEXUAL MISCONDUCT, IS USUALLY CONSIDERED “PER SE DEFAMATORY,” MEANING THAT IT WILL BE PRESUMED TO CONSTITUTE DEFAMATION IF, IN FACT, IT WAS:

    FALSE, AND

    MALICIOUSLY OR RECKLESSLY MADE.

    Other kinds of false allegations may also be presumed to be defamatory. But it’s important to bear in mind that expressions of opinion about you, even if negative, are not usually defamatory. Likewise, if someone recounts a true but less-than-flattering incident involving you, that doesn’t amount to libel or slander. Embarrassment is not defamation.

    “Pain and Suffering” in Defamation Cases

    IN SOME SITUATIONS, DEFAMATION CAN LEAD TO MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH PROBLEMS INCLUDING INSOMNIA, DEPRESSION, ANXIETY, AND OTHER NEGATIVE EFFECTS. IN SOME STATES, A DEFAMATION PLAINTIFF MIGHT BE ABLE TO RECOVER COMPENSATION FOR THESE KINDS OF “PAIN AND SUFFERING” DAMAGES, DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE DEFAMATORY STATEMENT, ESPECIALLY WHERE ECONOMIC HARM IS CLEAR.

    Methods of Proof

    IN MANY JURISDICTIONS, IF YOU CAN PROVE THAT SOMEONE MADE A FALSE STATEMENT ABOUT YOU KNOWINGLY OR RECKLESSLY, AND PUBLISHED IT TO OTHER PARTIES, YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED A CLAIM OF DEFAMATION, AND IT WILL BE PRESUMED THAT YOU HAVE SUFFERED (AT LEAST NOMINAL) HARM. IF, HOWEVER, YOUR JURISDICTION DOES NOT FOLLOW THAT RULE, OR IF YOU ARE A PUBLIC FIGURE OR SOMEONE WHO IS IN THE PUBLIC EYE, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO PROVE YOU WERE IN FACT HARMED BY THE DEFAMATORY STATEMENT.

    IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH THAT YOUR REPUTATION HAS SUFFERED, IN ADDITION TO YOUR OWN TESTIMONY YOU MAY NEED TO PROVIDE WITNESSES AND DOCUMENTARY PROOF. TO PROVE FINANCIAL HARM, YOU COULD TESTIFY ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE DEFAMATION ON YOUR INCOME AND ECONOMIC STANDING, BUT YOU MAY ALSO NEED BANK STATEMENTS, BILLS, PAY STUBS, ACCOUNTING STATEMENTS, OR TAX RETURNS TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS.

    To prove pain and suffering, you could testify about the effects the defamation has had on you. You might also provide witnesses (including a spouse, relatives, and/or close friends) to testify about their observations about you in connection with the incident. If you’re making a claim for significant mental or physical harm, you may need a doctor or other health care provider to testify about your symptoms and medical treatment, including evidence that the issues you’re currently experiencing were not pre-existing. You would also want to provide medical bills to show what the treatment cost you out of pocket. Learn more about evidence you’ll need to bring a defamation lawsuit.

    TO UNDERSTAND THE NUANCES OF DEFAMATION LAW AND HOW IT APPLIES TO YOUR SITUATION, YOU MAY WANT TO CONSULT WITH AN EXPERIENCED PERSONAL INJURY LAWYER. LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW A LAWYER HANDLES A DEFAMATION CASE.”

    YOU MAY BE TRYING TO TRIVIALIZE THE REAL PROBLEM BUT IT IS FAR MORE SERIOUS THANT YOU THINK. AND GIVEN THAT THE “LIBEL” WAS DONE IN THIS PUBLIC FORUM MAKES IT EVEN MORE SERIOUS. JOE YOU SHOULD BE MORE CAREFUL BECAUSE YOU MAY BE AN ACCESSORY AFTER THE FACT?

    REMEMBER THE SAN JOSE INSIDE IS NOT IMMUNE FROM DEFAMATION EITHER!!!

  20. “WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS CHARACTER ASSASSINATION…” — Steven Goldstein

    I aim not at your nebulous character but your tiresome bluster.

  21. PHU TAN ELLI You wrote:

    “I aim not at your nebulous character but your tiresome bluster.”

    IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT YOU AIM FOR, IT JUST MATTERS THAT YOU CALLED ME A CRIMINAL ON THIS FORUM. AND MANY OTHER POSTINGS THAT CAN BE USED TO DETERMINE THE DEFAMATORY IMPACT AND INTENT. TOO BAD, YOU JUST DON’T HAVE THE SELF DISCIPLINE TO DISCUSS THE TOPIC AND INSTEAD TRY TO FEEL STRONGER BY MISGUIDED ACTION.

  22. Can’t tell how much Goldstein is being paid to post here but it seems his assignment is to drown out any real discussion through pages of gibberish written in capital letters. “you go goldy!” No one reads all caps posts.

  23. Just returned from the local major chain grocery store – policy hasn’t changed – Masks still optional. Maybe they are thinking Adults can be treated like adults to make their own decisions.
    Only a handful of folks not wearing one but the store was pretty MT at 10PM anyhow.

  24. “YOU CALLED ME A CRIMINAL ON THIS FORUM…” — Steven Goldstein

    Not that it matters, but to mockingly suggest that an annoying person lifted a quote from a criminal does not equate to calling that annoying person a criminal. But Mr. Goldstein’s conviction that it is represents a perfect example of his immature reasoning process. For example, had I suggested that his rambling comments on this site might remind others of Joe Biden speeches, only Mr. Goldstein would be capable of concluding I was accusing him of being a career politician, serial liar, or demented old fool.

  25. PHU TAN ELLI You wrote:

    “Not that it matters, but to mockingly suggest that an annoying person lifted a quote from a criminal does not equate to calling that annoying person a criminal.”

    REALLY? NOW YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY IT WASN’T YOUR INTENT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE I WAS A CRIMINAL? THAT IS DISHONESTY. MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE IDEA THAT YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE OF YOUR ACTIONS IS FINALLY STARTING TO SINK IN, RIGHT? DON’T BE TRYING TO USE THE EXCUSE “BUT HE DESERVED IT”, OR “I WAS JOKING”. THAT DOES NOT WORK. You wrote:

    “But Mr. Goldstein’s conviction that it is represents a perfect example of his immature reasoning process.”

    IMMATURE? ISN’T IT IMMATURE TO USE A FAKE NAME TO CONSTANTLY INSULT ANOTHER PERSON AND NOT EVEN DISCUSS THE SUBJECT? ISN’T IT IMMATURE TO CONSTANTLY USE A FORUM TO MAKE CLAIMS YOU CANNOT PROVIDE ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT? You wrote:

    “For example, had I suggested that his rambling comments on this site might remind others of Joe Biden speeches, only Mr. Goldstein would be capable of concluding I was accusing him of being a career politician, serial liar, or demented old fool.”

    HOWEVER, IF ONE WOULD COPY ALL OF THE PERSONAL INSULTS AND HOSTILITY YOU HAVE POSTED IN THE LAST YEAR, THAT WOULD IN FACT SUBSTANTIATE THE ALLEGATION OF INTENTIONAL DEFAMATION.

    IN ANY CASE, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE SAME 7 DAY RUNNING AVERAGE OF NEW CASES OF COVID AS WE DID A YEAR AGO, WHEN WE HISTORICALLY WENT INTO THE PURPLE TIER OF THE COVID RESPONSE BLUEPRINT. WE HAVE NOW 227 NEW CASES A DAY. AND THAT IS WHAT WE KNOW OF. GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE TO SPREAD THE VIRUS, AND VERY LIKELY GIVING BIRTH TO A NEW VARIANT.

  26. Goldy: Show us your studies that prove that eating in a restaurant or having drinks in a bar without wearing a mask is safe but walking around Walmart without one is a dangerous virus spreading activity. It’s completely absurd. The fact that we’ve put up with the nonsense for going on two years now shows just how stupid we are as a society.

  27. This is an outlandish mandate. Complete lunacy. Why? Santa Clara County has a 78% vaccine rate, which is well above the national goal (resulting in herd immunity). And neighboring counties also have the same high rates of vaccines for eligible individuals. What is the result? A rolling 7-day average of ZERO COVID deaths in Santa Clara County. Hospitals are not overwhelmed – as studies show, and this is data widely available, that vaccinated people make up less than 1% of hospitalizations. And kids, even those not vaccinated, make up less than 1% of COVID deaths (they use the term “incredibly rare”), and rarely have severe complications. On top of that, COVID hospitalizations, for children are being over-reported in some cases. Meaning, if I take my kid to the hospital for a broken ankle and they test him/her, and they are positive for COVID, that is considered a hospitalization due to COVID.

    A 78% vaccination rate, ZERO deaths, no overwhelmed hospitals – this County should be fully open with no restrictions. And, should be an example of how high vaccination rates equate to “normalcy.” Instead, we are reverting back to these strict measures that prove to be useless. We succeeded in this County with vaccine goals and need to move on. COVID will always be here like the seasonal flu and the vaccine is WAY more effective than the flu vaccine and the flu is actually more dangerous for kids than COVID is, or equally as. So why no flu shot mandates?

    This move is an example of fear, not data and science, driving public policy and mandates. So many vaccinated still wearing masks in their cars and outside is a symbol of fear at this point and the County should stop with the mandates, and start telling people we succeeded in achieving herd immunity. We will always have cases – COVID isn’t going away. But the goal was always to limit severe disease, hospitalizations and death…it wasn’t to eradicate cases.

    This is poor leadership.

  28. JOE SMITH You wrote:

    “Goldy: Show us your studies that prove that eating in a restaurant or having drinks in a bar without wearing a mask is safe but walking around Walmart without one is a dangerous virus spreading activity. It’s completely absurd. The fact that we’ve put up with the nonsense for going on two years now shows just how stupid we are as a society.”

    FIRST HERE IS A REPORT (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200812/many-community-outbreaks-of-covid-traced-to-restaurants-bars#1) SHOWING THAT THERE IS A DIRECT LINK REGARDING RESTAURANTS AND BARS. HERE IS ANOTHER ONE (https://www.nbclosangeles.com/on-air/new-covid-19-outbreaks-at-restaurants-nightclubs-cause-alarm/2643435/) AND FINALLY (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/11/26/officials-worry-covid-19-restaurants-but-need-better-data/6411671002/)

    YOU ASK THIS QUESTION WITH A FALSE PREMISE. I NEVER SAID GOING TO RESTAURANTS AND BARS ARE SAFE WITHOUT WEARING A MASK OR SOCIAL DISTANCING, AND IN FACT I SAY IT IS THE OPPOSITE. I JUST THINK YOU SIMPLY ARE ADAMANT, YOU REFUSE TO ACCEPT ANY EVIDENCE THAT PROVES IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN MORE UNSAFE TO GO INTO A BUSINESS WITHOUT WEARING MASKS OR SOCIAL DISTANCING.

  29. Despite Media FEAR PORN, Data Shows ‘DELTA VARIANT’ is More BARK Than BITE.
    “It is striking that COVID mortality is at such low levels despite the fact that we are seeing an increase in cases of late… Though cases may rise, deaths will no longer follow in proportion. We have effectively defanged the disease with our successful vaccination rollout.”
    Stanford Professor of Medicine Dr. Jay Bhattacharya

    “..the White House announced that 70% of adults had received one dose of a COVID vaccine, which you’d think would make the Maskholes happy. Nope.
    Cities all across the U.S. announced Monday that they were looking at reinstituting mask mandates, even though one of President Biden’s COVID advisors flat out said on CNN that
    the cloth masks being worn are worthless against the virus.”

    “…FEAR PORN makes the media a bunch of money.
    The data, however, is telling a different story. Follow the data.”

  30. OPINIONS ARE OK You wrote:

    “This is an outlandish mandate. Complete lunacy. Why? Santa Clara County has a 78% vaccine rate, which is well above the national goal (resulting in herd immunity). And neighboring counties also have the same high rates of vaccines for eligible individuals. What is the result? A rolling 7-day average of ZERO COVID deaths in Santa Clara County.”

    THAT IS NOT CORRECT THERE ARE DEATHS REPORTED. SINCE FEBRUARY THERE HAS BEEN NO MORE THAN 2 SEVEN DAY RUNNING AVERAGES THAT HAD ZERO DEATHS. THAT WAS A GROSS DISHONESTY. IN FACT SINCE THE END OF FEBRUARY THERE HAS BEEN 109 PEOPLE DEAD. YOU CAN FIND THAT DATA HERE (https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboard-cases-and-deaths)

    THE FACT YOU PRESENT FALSE INFORMATION FROM THE START MEANS THE REST NEEDS TO BE PROVEN. NO MORE OF THE GROSS DECEPTION BY ANONYMOUS POSTERS. THIS IS WHAT IS MAKING THE COVID PROBLEM NEVER STOP.

  31. “NOW YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY IT WASN’T YOUR INTENT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE I WAS A CRIMINAL? THAT IS DISHONESTY. MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE IDEA THAT YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE OF YOUR ACTIONS IS FINALLY STARTING TO SINK IN, RIGHT?” — Steven Goldstein

    Had I intended to brand you a criminal I’d have stated it directly, with the same degree of clarity I use when I refer to you as a lunatic. The fact that many of your kind, lunatics (not IT professionals), are also criminals is just a coincidence. I know a criminal when I see one. Joe Biden is a criminal, for he has peddled the authority entrusted in him by the American public to foreign interests (just to name one offense). His son Hunter is also a criminal. That said, I wouldn’t call either lunatics as that would be offensive to the many decent people who are unfortunate enough to be crazy.

    I hope this clarifies things so I can stop having nightmares about officious Web cops and vengeful Jedi Warriors.

  32. JOE SMITH You wrote:

    “Goldy: Show us your studies that prove that eating in a restaurant or having drinks in a bar without wearing a mask is safe but walking around Walmart without one is a dangerous virus spreading activity. It’s completely absurd. The fact that we’ve put up with the nonsense for going on two years now shows just how stupid we are as a society.”

    FIRST HERE IS A REPORT (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200812/many-community-outbreaks-of-covid-traced-to-restaurants-bars#1) SHOWING THAT THERE IS A DIRECT LINK REGARDING RESTAURANTS AND BARS.

    YOU ASK THIS QUESTION WITH A FALSE PREMISE. I NEVER SAID GOING TO RESTAURANTS AND BARS ARE SAFE WITHOUT WEARING A MASK OR SOCIAL DISTANCING, AND IN FACT I SAY IT IS THE OPPOSITE. I JUST THINK YOU SIMPLY ARE ADAMANT; YOU REFUSE TO ACCEPT ANY EVIDENCE THAT PROVES IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN MORE UNSAFE TO GO INTO A BUSINESS WITHOUT WEARING MASKS OR SOCIAL DISTANCING.

  33. JOE SMITH You wrote:

    “Goldy: Show us your studies that prove that eating in a restaurant or having drinks in a bar without wearing a mask is safe but walking around Walmart without one is a dangerous virus spreading activity. It’s completely absurd. The fact that we’ve put up with the nonsense for going on two years now shows just how stupid we are as a society.”

    HERE IS ANOTHER ONE (https://www.nbclosangeles.com/on-air/new-covid-19-outbreaks-at-restaurants-nightclubs-cause-alarm/2643435/)

    YOU ASK THIS QUESTION WITH A FALSE PREMISE. I NEVER SAID GOING TO RESTAURANTS AND BARS ARE SAFE WITHOUT WEARING A MASK OR SOCIAL DISTANCING, AND IN FACT I SAY IT IS THE OPPOSITE. I JUST THINK YOU SIMPLY ARE ADAMANT; YOU REFUSE TO ACCEPT ANY EVIDENCE THAT PROVES IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN MORE UNSAFE TO GO INTO A BUSINESS WITHOUT WEARING MASKS OR SOCIAL DISTANCING.

  34. JOE SMITH You wrote:

    “Goldy: Show us your studies that prove that eating in a restaurant or having drinks in a bar without wearing a mask is safe but walking around Walmart without one is a dangerous virus spreading activity. It’s completely absurd. The fact that we’ve put up with the nonsense for going on two years now shows just how stupid we are as a society.”

    AND FINALLY (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/11/26/officials-worry-covid-19-restaurants-but-need-better-data/6411671002/)

    YOU ASK THIS QUESTION WITH A FALSE PREMISE. I NEVER SAID GOING TO RESTAURANTS AND BARS ARE SAFE WITHOUT WEARING A MASK OR SOCIAL DISTANCING, AND IN FACT I SAY IT IS THE OPPOSITE. I JUST THINK YOU SIMPLY ARE ADAMANT; YOU REFUSE TO ACCEPT ANY EVIDENCE THAT PROVES IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN MORE

  35. PHUT TAN ELLI You wrote:

    “Had I intended to brand you a criminal I’d have stated it directly, with the same degree of clarity I use when I refer to you as a lunatic.”

    WAIT, WHAT YOU WROTE WAS:

    ““If I didn’t know better I’d accuse Goldstein of lifting the above quote from Dr. Christopher Duntsch, the delusional and overconfident narcissist who blamed his repeated maiming of patients on the incompetence of others. The guy was so screwed-up they made a TV miniseries about his escapades, called “Dr. Death.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Duntsch”

    AT LEAST RECOGNIZE THE FOLLOWING:

    “Christopher Daniel Duntsch (born April 3, 1971) is a former American neurosurgeon who has been nicknamed Dr. D. and Dr. Death for gross malpractice resulting in the maiming of several patients’ spines and killing two of them while working at hospitals in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex.

    Duntsch was accused of injuring 33 out of 38 patients in less than two years before his license was revoked by the Texas Medical Board. In 2017, he was convicted of maiming one of his patients and sentenced to life imprisonment.

    Criminal charges

    Henderson and Kirby feared that Duntsch could move elsewhere and still theoretically get a medical license. Convinced that he was a clear and present danger to the public, they urged the Dallas County district attorney’s office to pursue criminal charges. The inquiry went nowhere until 2015, when the statute of limitations on any potential charges was due to run out. Part of the problem was being able to prove that Duntsch’s actions were willful and intentional as defined by Texas law. After interviewing dozens of Duntsch’s patients and their survivors, prosecutors concluded that Duntsch’s actions were indeed criminal, and nothing short of imprisonment would prevent him from practicing medicine again.

    As part of their investigation, prosecutors obtained a December 2011 email in which Duntsch boasted that he was “… ready to leave the love and kindness and goodness and patience that I mix with everything else that I am and become a cold-blooded killer.” ADA Michelle Shughart, who led the prosecution of Duntsch, later recalled that Henderson, Kirby and Lazar reached out to her demanding to testify against Duntsch; according to Shughart, doctors almost never testify against each other.”

    SO YES, YOU CALLED ME NOT ONLY A CRIMINAL BUT A COLD-BLOODED KILLER. WHEN YOU STOP TRYING TO DECEIVE YOURSELF AND UNDERSTAND YOUR POOR JUDGEMENT, I DON’T KNOW. You wrote:

    “The fact that many of your kind, lunatics (not IT professionals), are also criminals is just a coincidence.”

    THERE YOU GO AGAIN, YOU JUST SAID IT LITERALLY. You wrote:

    “I know a criminal when I see one. Joe Biden is a criminal, for he has peddled the authority entrusted in him by the American public to foreign interests (just to name one offense). His son Hunter is also a criminal. That said, I wouldn’t call either lunatics as that would be offensive to the many decent people who are unfortunate enough to be crazy.”

    THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SERIOUS DEFAMATION YOU INFLICTED ON ME. IF YOU WANTED TO DEFAME BIDEN GO AHEAD, BUT THIS IS ABOUT YOU AND ME, AND YOU DID SOMETHING SO DUMB, IT IS VERY FUNNY.

  36. I stopped reading anything the clown SG writes…. Its an absolute waste of valuable time. His fulltime job is to attack any dissenting views. Its pretty scary how the tactics from Nazi Germany are being played out now in 2021.

  37. THERELIABLEINFORMER You wrote:

    “I stopped reading anything the clown SG writes…. Its an absolute waste of valuable time. His fulltime job is to attack any dissenting views. Its pretty scary how the tactics from Nazi Germany are being played out now in 2021.”

    I AM NOT PAID TO EDUCATE PEOPLE FRO THE FACT THAT THEY THINK “DISSENTING” VIEWS ARE REAL. YOU ARE JUST LIKE THE JAN 6ERS, THINKING BY YOUR WILL YOU CAN CHANGE REALITY. HOWEVER PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS NEW FACT COMING HERE. THE LAMBDA VARIANT IS ALREADY IN THE U.S. AND IS GOING TO TAKE OVER WHAT DELTA DOESN’T GET. BUT SINCE LAMBDA CAN INFECT ALL PEOPLE EVEN THOSE WITH THE VACCINATIONS, AND THAT THEY ARE EVEN LESS EFFECTIVE ON IT. LAMBDA IS GOING TO PUT US ALL BACK TO SQUARE ONE IN THE WINTER.

    HERE IS AN INDEPENDENT UNBIASED RESOURCE: (https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/lambda-variant-of-covid-19-might-be-resistant-to-vaccines)

    “Investigators in Chile conclude that the lambda COVID-19 variant is not only more infectious than standard SARS-CoV-2, but could also possibly shrug off vaccines. THE FIRST CASE IN THE UNITED STATES HAS BEEN SPOTTED AT HOUSTON METHODIST HOSPITAL. (TEXAS NO LESS)

    A COVID-19 variant that proves to be resistant to vaccines keeps medical experts, public health officials, and health care professionals—including infection preventionists—on the frontlines of the COVID-19 pandemic up at nights. THERE’S NO REASON TO SOUND THE ALARM YET, BUT THERE MAY—JUST MAY—PERHAPS BE REASON TO THINK THAT THERE’S A CHANCE THAT THE ALARM MAY HAVE TO BE SOUNDED AT SOME POINT ABOUT THE LAMBDA COVID-19 MUTATION, OR C.37….

    THE FIRST CASE OF LAMBDA VARIANT HAS BEEN SPOTTED AT HOUSTON METHODIST HOSPITAL ABOUT 2 DAYS AGO, ACCORDING VARIOUS NEWS OUTLETS, INCLUDING AXIOS. AN IRONIC DEVELOPMENT, AS HOUSTON METHODIST HOSPITAL HAS SPARKED HEADLINES LATELY BY BEING THE FIRST HOSPITAL IN THE U.S. TO MANDATE THAT ALL ITS EMPLOYEES GET THE COVID-19 VACCINE. AS INFECTION CONTROL TODAY® REPORTED, 153 OF HOUSTON METHODIST HOSPITAL’S EMPLOYEES EITHER RESIGNED OR WERE FIRED FOR NOT GETTING THE VACCINE. KHOU 11 REPORTS THAT THERE’S BEEN AN ALARMING SPIKE IN COVID-19 INFECTIONS IN THE HOUSTON AREA. HOUSTON METHODIST HOSPITAL OFFICIALS HAVE NOT COMMENTED ON WHETHER THE LOSS OF THOSE 153 EMPLOYEES HAS HINDERED THE FACILITY’S ABILITY TO TREAT THE INFLUX OF PATIENTS.

    The Chilean investigators give an indication of what challenges the lambda variant presents, writing that “our results indicate that the spike protein of the lambda variant confers immune escape to neutralizing antibodies elicited by the CoronaVac vaccine. Whether the lambda variant also escapes to the cellular response shown to be elicited by CoronaVac is still unknown. We also observed that the spike protein of the lambda variant presented increased infectivity when compared with the spike protein of the Alpha and Gamma variants, both of them with reported increased infectivity and transmissibility.”

    KEVIN KAVANAGH, MD, A MEMBER OF ICT®’S EDITORIAL ADVISORY BOARD, ARGUES THAT THE EMERGENCE OF THE LAMBDA VARIANT UNDERSCORES THE NEED TO CONSIDER VACCINES JUST 1 LAYER OF PROTECTION AGAINST COVID-19 INFECTION, AND THAT THEY SHOULD BE COMBINED WITH MASKS AND GOGGLES.”

    OF COURSE YOU ALL JUST SAY, WHY SHOULD I BOTHER TO EVEN READ STEVENS INFORMATION, BUT GO AHEAD AND IGNORE IT. IT DOESN’T INVALIDATE THE CONSEQUENCES IF YOU DO. WE COULD BE LOOKING AT A REALLY BAD WINTER.

  38. Sorry Goldy, fake news articles are not scientific studies. The whole idea that you can sit and eat with friends and neighbors in restaurants and bars but can’t go to Walmart and walk past them without masks is completely absurd. Everyone knows this. It’s dumb.

  39. “KEVIN KAVANAGH, MD, A MEMBER OF ICT®’S EDITORIAL ADVISORY BOARD…” — Steven Goldstein

    It appears “Steven’s expert” once went by Kevin T. Kavanagh, head and neck surgeon.

  40. JOE SMITH You wrote:

    “Sorry Goldy, fake news articles are not scientific studies. The whole idea that you can sit and eat with friends and neighbors in restaurants and bars but can’t go to Walmart and walk past them without masks is completely absurd. Everyone knows this. It’s dumb.”

    OF COURSE A “TRUMPER” WOULD CLAIM THE “FAKE NEWS” CON JOB. HOW ABOUT THIS ARTICLE FROM POPULAR SCIENCE WHICH IS A REPUTABLE INDEPENDENT SCIENCE JOURNAL WHICH IS MORE THAN WHAT YOU PRODUCE, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT EVEN CARING TO LEARN ANYTHING. (https://www.popsci.com/health/infectious-coronavirus-variants-guide):

    “A guide to Delta-plus, Lambda, and other super infectious coronavirus variants: Mutations are normal, but there’s still a lot virologists don’t understand about the new variants.: BY SARA KILEY WATSON | PUBLISHED AUG 4, 2021 5:28 PM

    If there’s one thing we can count on in life, it’s change, and viruses are no exception. Variants of the original SARS-CoV-2 virus have popped up in different corners of the world and while that might sound a bit scary it’s actually perfectly normal, or even “humdrum” as one Nature study puts it.

    they have developed a resistance to vaccines.

    While virologists predicted all along that the virus that causes COVID-19 would mutate, what scientists still don’t know exactly is what these variations might mean for how infectious or deadly the virus is. And while we know a handful of COVID-19 variants have circulated throughout the US, pretty much unnoticed by the general public, some variants, particularly the Alpha and Beta variants, which originated in the UK and South Africa, respectively, and now the Delta variant, share some more atypical characteristics that seem to make them more infectious. Currently, Delta is making headlines due to its extra-transmissibility and recent upticks in cases across the US.

    Here’s what you need to know about mutated versions and COVID-19.

  41. JOE SMITH You wrote:

    “Sorry Goldy, fake news articles are not scientific studies. The whole idea that you can sit and eat with friends and neighbors in restaurants and bars but can’t go to Walmart and walk past them without masks is completely absurd. Everyone knows this. It’s dumb.”

    OF COURSE A “TRUMPER” WOULD CLAIM THE “FAKE NEWS” CON JOB. HOW ABOUT THIS ARTICLE FROM POPULAR SCIENCE WHICH IS A REPUTABLE INDEPENDENT SCIENCE JOURNAL WHICH IS MORE THAN WHAT YOU PRODUCE, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT EVEN CARING TO LEARN ANYTHING. (https://www.popsci.com/health/infectious-coronavirus-variants-guide):

    “A guide to Delta-plus, Lambda, and other super infectious coronavirus variants: Mutations are normal, but there’s still a lot virologists don’t understand about the new variants.: BY SARA KILEY WATSON | PUBLISHED AUG 4, 2021 5:28 PM

  42. JOE SMITH You wrote:

    “Sorry Goldy, fake news articles are not scientific studies. The whole idea that you can sit and eat with friends and neighbors in restaurants and bars but can’t go to Walmart and walk past them without masks is completely absurd. Everyone knows this. It’s dumb.”

    “A guide to Delta-plus, Lambda, and other super infectious coronavirus variants: Mutations are normal, but there’s still a lot virologists don’t understand about the new variants.: BY SARA KILEY WATSON | PUBLISHED AUG 4, 2021 5:28 PM

    THE STORY STATED:

    Delta: The variant that originated in India (B.1.617)

    THE VARIANT OF MOST RECENT CONCERN IS THE DELTA VARIANT, A SPIN-OFF OF THE B.1.617 LINEAGE WHICH ALSO INCLUDES THE KAPPA VARIANT, WHICH WAS FIRST IDENTIFIED IN INDIA IN OCTOBER 2020, AND HAS SINCE SPREAD TO BRITAIN, THE US, AND ISRAEL. DELTA IS CURRENTLY THE MOST COMMON VARIANT IN THE US AND HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE INCREDIBLY TRANSMISSIBLE—EVEN MORE SO THAN THE COMMON COLD. EXPERTS ARE STILL DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT DELTA MAKES PEOPLE SICKER THAN OTHER VARIANTS, BUT ALMOST ALL HOSPITALIZATIONS AND DEATHS DUE TO THE VARIANT ARE IN UNVACCINATED POPULATIONS.

    THERE ARE ALSO CONCERNS ABOUT THE CURRENT VACCINES’ EFFICACY AGAINST THE DELTA VARIANT. ONE STUDY SHOWED THAT TWO PFIZER DOSES WERE 88 PERCENT EFFECTIVE AGAINST DELTA, COMPARED TO 93 PERCENT EFFECTIVE AGAINST UK-ORIGINATED STRAIN, ALPHA. ONE STUDY FOUND THAT THE J&J VACCINE MAY BE LESS EFFECTIVE AT FIGHTING OFF DELTA, TOO.

    “It is by far the most contagious variant of this virus that we have seen throughout the whole pandemic,” Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, told the TODAY show on June 9. “It is what has caused huge spikes in India, and it’s causing a serious increase in cases in the UK despite the fact they’re very vaccinated. So it really is a problem.”

  43. JOE SMITH You wrote:

    “Sorry Goldy, fake news articles are not scientific studies. The whole idea that you can sit and eat with friends and neighbors in restaurants and bars but can’t go to Walmart and walk past them without masks is completely absurd. Everyone knows this. It’s dumb.”

    “A guide to Delta-plus, Lambda, and other super infectious coronavirus variants: Mutations are normal, but there’s still a lot virologists don’t understand about the new variants.: BY SARA KILEY WATSON | PUBLISHED AUG 4, 2021 5:28 PM

    THE STORY STATED:

    Delta-plus: A sub-lineage of the Delta variant

    Another variant that’s been of recent concern among virologists is what’s known as the Delta-plus variant. Scientists are describing this version as a sub-lineage of the Delta variant, according to The New York Times, which essentially means it is most closely related to that variant and likely evolved from it. Delta-plus has a spike protein mutation that researchers have also identified in the Beta variant (described below).

    The variant likely originated in India but has now spread to more than a dozen countries, including the United States. Most recently, on August 4, South Korea’s Disease Control and Prevention Agency (its version of the CDC) announced that it had documented at least two cases of the Delta-plus variant, The Washington Post reported.

    SOME EXPERTS BELIEVE THIS VARIANT IS EVEN MORE TRANSMISSIBLE THAN THE HIGHLY TRANSMISSIBLE DELTA VARIANT THAT IS CURRENTLY CIRCULATING THE UNITED STATES AND OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD, THOUGH MORE RESEARCH IS NEEDED TO CONFIRM THIS. “IT IS MOST LIKELY CAPABLE OF DODGING IMMUNITIES,” SHAHID JAMEEL, A VIROLOGIST AND DIRECTOR OF THE TRIVEDI SCHOOL OF BIOSCIENCES AT ASHOKA UNIVERSITY IN SONIPAT, INDIA TOLD THE NEW YORK TIMES IN LATE JUNE. “THAT IS BECAUSE IT CARRIES ALL SYMPTOMS OF THE ORIGINAL DELTA VARIANT AND ALSO FROM ITS PARTNER BETA VARIANT.”

  44. JOE SMITH You wrote:

    “Sorry Goldy, fake news articles are not scientific studies. The whole idea that you can sit and eat with friends and neighbors in restaurants and bars but can’t go to Walmart and walk past them without masks is completely absurd. Everyone knows this. It’s dumb.”

    “A guide to Delta-plus, Lambda, and other super infectious coronavirus variants: Mutations are normal, but there’s still a lot virologists don’t understand about the new variants.: BY SARA KILEY WATSON | PUBLISHED AUG 4, 2021 5:28 PM

    THE STORY STATED:

    Lambda: The variant that originated in Peru (C.37)

    As of June 14, the World Health Organization has categorized the Lambda variant as a “variant of interest.” Some experts suspect Lambda may be more dangerous than the original COVID-19 strain—which is a concern as the variant has been spotted in 29 countries around the world. Peru, where the variant originated, has been especially hard hit by the virus, as 596 of every 100,000 people in the population have died of COVID-19, nearly doubling the second-hardest hit country for deaths.

    THE VARIANT WAS FIRST REPORTED IN AUGUST 2020, AND BY SPRING 2021, 97 PERCENT OF PERU’S COVID-19 CASES WERE LAMBDA. NEW FINDINGS HAVE SHOWN THAT VACCINES SUCH AS PFIZER, MODERNA, AND CORONAVAC ARE LESS EFFECTIVE ON LAMBDA THAN ON THE ORIGINAL, BUT ARE STILL TOUGH ENOUGH TO NEUTRALIZE THE VARIANT. BUT THERE IS STILL A LOT TO LEARN.

    “I DON’T THINK IT’S GOING TO BE WORSE THAN ANY OF THE ONES THAT WE HAVE ALREADY,” PABLO TSUKAYAMA, A MICROBIOLOGIST AT PERU’S CAYETANO HEREDIA UNIVERSITY TOLD THE NEW YORK TIMES. “IT’S JUST THAT WE KNOW SO LITTLE THAT IT LENDS ITSELF TO A LOT OF SPECULATION.”

  45. JOE SMITH You wrote:

    “Sorry Goldy, fake news articles are not scientific studies. The whole idea that you can sit and eat with friends and neighbors in restaurants and bars but can’t go to Walmart and walk past them without masks is completely absurd. Everyone knows this. It’s dumb.”

    “A guide to Delta-plus, Lambda, and other super infectious coronavirus variants: Mutations are normal, but there’s still a lot virologists don’t understand about the new variants.: BY SARA KILEY WATSON | PUBLISHED AUG 4, 2021 5:28 PM

    THE STORY STATED:

    Gamma: The variant that originated in Brazil (P.1 lineage)

    A CLOSE COUSIN TO THE BETA VARIANT, THE GAMMA VARIANT HAS SIMILAR MUTATIONS, INCLUDING WHAT VIROLOGISTS HAVE DUBBED THE E484K MUTATION, WHICH AFFECTS THE SPIKE PROTEIN AND MAY MAKE IT TRICKIER FOR CERTAIN VACCINES TO PROVIDE MAXIMUM EFFECTIVENESS. ANOTHER MAJOR WORRY, REPORTS NPR, IS THAT OF REINFECTION RATES. THE NUMBER OF MUTATIONS ON P.1 VARIANTS CAN THEORETICALLY HELP THE VIRUS EVADE ANTIBODY RESPONSE, WHICH MAY BE WHY MANAUS, BRAZIL IS SEEING A RESURGENCE OF THIS PARTICULAR STRAIN, DESPITE ALREADY HAVING A HUGE OUTBREAK A YEAR AGO.

    “IF YOU WERE TO ASK ME RIGHT NOW, WHAT’S MOST CONCERNING OF ALL THE THINGS THAT I’VE HEARD SO FAR, IT’S THE FACT THAT THEY ARE REPORTING A SUDDEN INCREASE IN CASES IN MANAUS, BRAZIL,” UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS VIRUS EXPERT JEREMY LUBAN TOLD NPR. “MANAUS ALREADY HAD 75 PERCENT OF PEOPLE INFECTED [IN THE SPRING OF LAST YEAR].”

  46. PHU TAN ELLI You wrote:

    ““KEVIN KAVANAGH, MD, A MEMBER OF ICT®’S EDITORIAL ADVISORY BOARD…” — Steven Goldstein

    It appears “Steven’s expert” once went by Kevin T. Kavanagh, head and neck surgeon.”

    HOWEVER, AT LEAST HE IS A MEDICAL DOCTOR, AND HAS THE EDUCATION TO UNDERSTAND THE SUBJECT. YOU ARE AN ANONYMOUS POSTER WITH NO MEDICAL EXPERTISE OF ANY KIND. PLEASE STOP POLLUTING THE INTERNET UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME MEDICAL EVIDENCE AND MEDICAL EXPERIENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR UNREALISTIC IDEAS? IN FACT YOU ARE NOT PARTICIPATING AN ANY CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATION, YOU JUST WRITE INSULTS TO ANYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH YOU.

  47. “YOU ARE AN ANONYMOUS POSTER WITH NO MEDICAL EXPERTISE OF ANY KIND.” — Steven Goldstein

    That you feel comfortable in asserting I have no medical expertise is likely because I have never claimed to have any, never offered any medical advise, and never offended any rational person’s opinion’s about COVID. But of course I’ve offended you, as does anyone who doesn’t bow in gratitude for the reams of wisdom you supply here. I realize you have a great and unhealthy need to be respected here, and I suspect it is because you get such little respect elsewhere.

    You are an irrational man who has access, as do most, to a wealth of information about virtually every topic known to man. Enjoy your neurosis.

  48. Steven, you’re the only one being dishonest here, and anyone can look up the stats I cited. You are a fear monger and a dangerous individual. You need help which is evidenced through your manic episodes all over San Jose Inside and Spotlight. It’s concerning. That is the last time I will engage with your nonsense. Get help.

  49. PHU TAN ELLI You wrote:

    “That you feel comfortable in asserting I have no medical expertise is likely because I have never claimed to have any, never offered any medical advise, and never offended any rational person’s opinion’s about COVID.”

    BY INSULTING A TRAINED MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL LIKE DR. KAVANAUGH IN THE ARTICLE ABOVE, YOU OFFENDED AT LEAST ONE RATIONSAL PERSON. ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER MEDICSAL PROFESSIONAL RESEARCH I PRESENTED. AS WELL AS YOU HAVE NOT PROVEN THAT MY EVIDENCE IS IRRATIONAL. You wrote

    “But of course I’ve offended you, as does anyone who doesn’t bow in gratitude for the reams of wisdom you supply here.”

    AND OF COURSE YOU DECLARED ME A CRIMINAL WHICH IS AN EXAMPLE OF IRRATIONSL THOUGH ON YOUR BEHALF. I HAVE NOT TOLD ANYONE HOW OR WHAT TO THINK, JUST PROVIDED EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT MY OPINION, THEY CAN MAKE UP THEIR OWN MINDS. BUT TO TAKE YOUR OPINION AND ADVICES WHERE I CAN PROVE IT IS UNWISE, REALLY GETS TO YOU DOESN’T IT?. You wrote:

    “I realize you have a great and unhealthy need to be respected here, and I suspect it is because you get such little respect elsewhere.”

    ACTUALLY MY EFFORTS IN EVERY PLACE I WORK OR PARTICIPATE IN HAS BEEN JUST RESPECTFUL AND WHERE NECESSARY THEY GIVE ME CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM THAT ALLOWS THE OPPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO GROW WITH OTHERS, AND IN MOST CASES I DO ADJUST MY OPNIONS AND CHANGE MY PLANS. WHY, BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING, AND I KNOW IT.

    IN THIS FORUM I GET SOMEONE CONSTANTLY INSULTING ME AND CALLING ME A CRIMINAL. IF YOU THINK I HAVE AN UNHEALTHY NEED OF RESPECT, THAT IS CRAZY, EVERYONE DESERVES RESPECT. I RESPECT YOU ENOUGH TO DEMONSTRATE YOUR WRITINGS ARE NOT CONTRIBUTING TO THE TOPIC. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CANNOT DO. You wrote:

    “You are an irrational man who has access, as do most, to a wealth of information about virtually every topic known to man. Enjoy your neurosis.”

    YES I DO, AND I WORK VERY HARD TO ELIMINATE INFORMATION THAT CANNOT BE ESTABLISHED AS VALID OR AUTHENTIC, LIKE I DO WITH MY WORK. WHAT IS FRUSTRATING IS THAT MANY USE THESE TOOLS TO ONLY VLAIDATE THEIR OWN POINT OF VIEW AT THIS TIME, AND THERE IS A LOT OF POLLUTION OF MISINFORMATION ON THE INTERNET TODAY.

  50. OPINIONS ARE OK You wrote:

    “Steven, you’re the only one being dishonest here, and anyone can look up the stats I cited.”

    AND YET I PROVE MOST ARE OUT OF DATE OR INACCURATE, AND YOU CALL ME DISHONEST? You wrote:

    “You are a fear monger and a dangerous individual.”

    REALLY, MY WORK IS IN THE PRESERVATION OF IT SYSTEMS, THE DATA THEY CONTAIN, AND THE PROPER ACCESS AND USE OF IT. I HAVE PROVEN EXCELLENCE IN IT, I HAVE PRIVILEGES TO HANDLE CLASSIFIED AND HIGHER INFORMATION FOR BOTH PRIVATE AND PUBLIC ORGANIZATIONS. DOES THAT SOUND DANGEROUS? ACTUALLY YOU ARE SAYING WHAT I WRITE IS DANGEROUS BECAUSE IT REQUIRES RESPONSIBLE ACTION, WHICH THREATENS YOU I THINK. You WROTE:

    “You need help which is evidenced through your manic episodes all over San Jose Inside and Spotlight.”

    MY EFFORTS TO CORRECT FOR POSTERS THAT USE OUT OF DATE INFORMATION OR WORSE PRESENT INFORMATION THAT IS NOT ACCURATE, SHOULD BE BEING DONE BY MANY PEOPLE, I FEEL BAD THAT I APPEAR TO BE THE ONLY ONE. THAT IS NOT AN INDICATION OF MANIA, BUT OF COURSE YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT A MANIC EPISODE IS DEFINED AS. IT IS JUST YOUR “OPINION”. You wrote:

    “It’s concerning. That is the last time I will engage with your nonsense. Get help.”

    AS YOU SAID YOU HAVE THE “OPINION” THAT IT IS NONESENSE, BUT IF I SHOW EVIDENCE YOUR OPINION IS INVALID, SO BE IT. RIGHT? IT IS MY “OPINION” TOO.

  51. “BY INSULTING A TRAINED MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL LIKE DR. KAVANAUGH IN THE ARTICLE ABOVE, YOU OFFENDED AT LEAST ONE RATIONSAL PERSON.” — Steven Goldstein

    How is it offensive to list a doctor’s specialty? Are you really that crazy?

    “THEY GIVE ME CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM THAT ALLOWS THE OPPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO GROW WITH OTHERS…” — Steven Goldstein

    I hope that’s true, but you’ve shown no such inclinations here, other than growing more tiresome.

  52. PHU TAN ELLI you wrote:

    “How is it offensive to list a doctor’s specialty? Are you really that crazy?”

    YOU WROTE THAT COMMENT TO CLEARLY IMPLY THAT THE DOCTOR WAS NOT COMPETENT TO DISCUSS COVID, AND YOU KNOW IT. YOU JUST DON’T LIKE IT WHEN YOU KEEP WRITING THESE THINGS AND KEEP GETTING CALLED ON FOR DOING SO. ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT YOU DO THIS ALL THE TIME!!! You wrote:

    “THEY GIVE ME CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM THAT ALLOWS THE OPPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO GROW WITH OTHERS…” — Steven Goldstein

    “I hope that’s true, but you’ve shown no such inclinations here, other than growing more tiresome.”

    WHEN YOU ALL START ACTUALLY PROVIDING REAL INFORMATION, THAT IS NOT COMING FROM A POLITICALLY OR FINANCIALLY CONFLICT INTERESTED PARTY, THEN WE CAN TALK. BUT ALL YOU HAVE DONE OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS CALL ME NAMES AND CLAIM I WAS A CRIMINAL. THAT KIND OF INTERACTION IS NOT CONSTRUCTIVE, AND I WILL HAVE NO REASON TO JUST LET YOU CONTINUE TO DO IT.

    WHEN PEOPLE START PROVIDING QUALITY INFORMATION IN A CONSTRUCTIVE MANNER, YOU WILL BE SURPRISED ABOUT HOW QUICKLY I TEND TO COOPERATE. BUT SO FAR ALL I HAVE EXPERIENCED IS INSULT AFTER INSULT.

  53. “YOU WROTE THAT COMMENT TO CLEARLY IMPLY THAT THE DOCTOR WAS NOT COMPETENT TO DISCUSS COVID, AND YOU KNOW IT.” — Steven Goldstein

    I wrote that comment to reveal that which you did not: the doctor is not a virologist despite your quoting his warnings as if he were. I did not suggest his incompetence, however you suggested his particular competence. My comment, on an honesty scale, was 100% accurate. Yours was considerably less than that. I belief self-flagellation is in order. I urge you to commence immediately.

  54. PHU TAN ELLI You wrote:

    “I wrote that comment to reveal that which you did not: the doctor is not a virologist despite your quoting his warnings as if he were.”

    REALLY!!! YOU MAKE AN EXCUSE THAT YOU WANTED TO SAY HE WASN’T A VIROLOGIST? THAT IS NOT REQUIRED IF YOU ARE PARTICIPATING IN A GROUP EDITORIAL, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, HE WAS TRRAINED IN INFECTIOUS DISEASES BECAUSE TO BE A SUCCESSFUL SURGEON, YOU MUST PRACTICE INFECTIOUS DISEASE CONTROLS. SO THAT EXCUSE DOES NOT WORK. You wrote:

    “I did not suggest his incompetence, however you suggested his particular competence.”

    YES HE IS COMPETENT TO UNDERSTAND INFECTIOUS DISEASE, YOU JUST ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT. THE FACTS ARE YOU HAVE NO EXPERTISE TO CRITIQUE A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL. You wrote:

    “My comment, on an honesty scale, was 100% accurate. Yours was considerably less than that.”

    PROVE MY DISHONESTY, OTHERWISE YOU ARE JUST INSULTING AND NAME CALLING AGAIN. YOU ARE NOT IN ANY POSITION TO BE IN AUTHORITY HERE. THUS THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU TO DEMONSTRATE EXACLTY WHAT STATEMENTS I MADE ARE “DISHONEST”. TRANSFERENCE OF CONDUCT IS A PSYCHOLOGICAL DEFENSE THAT DOESN’T WORK IN THE REAL WORLD. You wrote:

    “ I belief self-flagellation is in order. I urge you to commence immediately.”

    I AM NOT A RELIGIOUS NUT.

  55. “REALLY!!! YOU MAKE AN EXCUSE THAT YOU WANTED TO SAY HE WASN’T A VIROLOGIST?” — Steven Goldstein

    I don’t need to make “an excuse” for providing an explanation, especially when my intent was to alert others here, not aggravate your paranoid-level defensiveness.

    As for you being dishonest, that’s a tough call because when dealing with the unstable it is often the case they honestly believe their own nonsense. For all I know, you may actually think it doesn’t matter that the doctor you presented as a COVID expert lacks the formal training of a credentialed virologist. You may also think it acceptable to aggressively share the doctor’s warnings with unsuspecting readers here despite your failure to have checked his credentials. And lastly, you may really believe that any doctor is qualified to predict the behavior of COVID, despite its confounding uniqueness.

    Or maybe what you said was a smoke screen to conceal your getting caught saying something stupid (again).

  56. PHU TAN ELLI You wrote:

    “I don’t need to make “an excuse” for providing an explanation, especially when my intent was to alert others here, not aggravate your paranoid-level defensiveness.”

    THAT IS A JOKE, RIGHT? YOU STILL HAVEN’T ESTABLISHED ANY MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE OR EXPERTISE, OR WORSE YOU HAVE ONLY EXPRESSED A CONCLUSION WITH NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF TO BACK IT UP, RIGHT? You wrote:

    “As for you being dishonest, that’s a tough call because when dealing with the unstable it is often the case they honestly believe their own nonsense.”

    WAIT A SEC, YOU CALL ME DISHONEST BUT THEN SAY YOU CAN’T PROVE I AM DISHONEST BECAUSE YOU TRY TO CALL ME UNSTABLE. NOW THAT IS ACTUALLY AN INDICATION OF INSTABILITY ON YOUR PART, RIGHT? YOU ARE JUST USING A NON-DENIAL DENIAL, BECAUSE YOU CANNOT PROVE YOUR ORIGINAL CLAIM AT ALL. You wrote:

  57. “YOU HAVE ONLY EXPRESSED A CONCLUSION WITH NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF TO BACK IT UP, RIGHT?” — Steven Goldstein

    What I expressed, what you’re calling a conclusion, was that the COVID authority you cited was not, according to the credentials listed on the man’s biography, a virologist. How much expertise is required in your bizarro world to simply report biographical information?

  58. PHU TAN ELLI You wrote:

    “For all I know, you may actually think it doesn’t matter that the doctor you presented as a COVID expert lacks the formal training of a credentialed virologist. You may also think it acceptable to aggressively share the doctor’s warnings with unsuspecting readers here despite your failure to have checked his credentials. And lastly, you may really believe that any doctor is qualified to predict the behavior of COVID, despite its confounding uniqueness.”

    ATLEAST THERE IS MORE EVIDENCE EVERY DAY, HERE IS SOME MORE:

    AND THIS ALSO DOESN’T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE LAMBDA VARIANT THAT IS SURE TO SPREAD ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, IT HAS BEEN DETECTED ALREADY IN TEXAS. AND THIS ONE IS SIGNIFICANTLY RESISTANT TO THE VACCINES AS REPORTED on Reuters.com the story titled “Delta infections among vaccinated likely contagious; Lambda variant shows vaccine resistance in lab” THE STORY STATES:

  59. GIVEN THAT THIS PUBLICATION IS BLOCKING MY INFORMATION REGARDING THE RUETERS REPORT I WILL JUST TRY TO SEND YOU THE LINK (https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/delta-infections-among-vaccinated-likely-contagious-lambda-variant-shows-vaccine-2021-08-02/)

    BUT FIVE MONTHS LATER, VACCINE-INDUCED ANTIBODIES WERE “EQUIVALENT” TO THOSE SEEN AFTER THE SECOND DOSE, WITH “LITTLE MEASURABLE IMPROVEMENT” IN THE ANTIBODIES’ ABILITY TO NEUTRALIZE A BROAD VARIETY OF NEW VARIANTS, SAID COAUTHOR MICHEL NUSSENZWEIG. THEREFORE, HE SAID, GIVING THOSE INDIVIDUALS A THIRD DOSE OF THE SAME VACCINE WOULD LIKELY RESULT IN HIGHER LEVELS OF ANTIBODIES THAT REMAIN LESS EFFECTIVE AGAINST VARIANTS.”

    I AM CERTAIN THAT THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY IS IN AN UNWINNABLE POSITION. THE VIRUS MUTATES, AND WE CAN’T KEEP UP. THE VACCINES ARE GOING TO BECOME USELESS AND THE POLITICIANS AND BUSINESSES CAN DO NOTING ABOUT IT. AND YOU ALL WILL SAY, YOU CAN’T TRUST THE SCIENTISTS. THE FACT WAS OPERATION WARP SPEED BY TRUMP DID NOT ACTUALLY ARRANGE AN ONGOING VACCINE PROGRAM, IT RELIED ON A PROTOTYPE VACCINATION PRODUCED BY PFIZER AND MODERNA. BUT NEVER CONTINUED TO CREATE THE PRODUCTION GRADE VERSIONS. I HATE TO SAY THIS BUT YOU ALL BETTER GET A GRIP AND GET READY FOR A VERY BAD WINTER.

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